Ciphers

careless25 · 2008-07-25 02:21:07

I dont kno if many people have done this but i like deciphering these quotes. If you have any trouble or want any hints just say so. k so heres the first:

Uatnatl xhq nabgdnapn xhq spg, hl napn xhq spg'n, xhq plt qmqpeex lbyan. Atglx Vhli (1863-1947)

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infinitebrain · 2008-07-25 03:17:23

are the first two words whether the?

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careless25 · 2008-07-25 03:17:47

no
try to make a chart of which shows that a=b, b=c.......It is easier if u have a paper and pencil.

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careless25 · 2008-07-25 03:21:47

JaneFairfax · 2008-07-25 03:23:55

Well, Henry Ford was born in 1863 and died in 1947, so this would be a good place to start.

infinitebrain · 2008-07-25 03:29:26

ok I get it now

careless25 · 2008-07-25 03:30:28

Basic Tips

Check the sentence structure
you can tell a lot by examinig how the letters are arranged in the various words. For example, in English, there are only two words that are 1 letter long: 'A' and 'I'.

If the puzzle is a quote, and includes the name of a person quoted at the end, this may be another possible place to start.For example, try common first names. There are some people who get quoted often, such as Benjamin Franklin,so if you see a name that has two words similar of length, he may be worth trying as a guess.

infinitebrain · 2008-07-25 03:36:49

I'll
be right back

careless25 · 2008-07-25 04:04:06

Letter Frequency analysis
Once you've got the feel for the overall sentence structure, look casrefully at thr frequency of the letters used.
Languages tend to have certain patterns. In english, the most common letter is E. aken in prder, the most commonly used letters are : ETAOINSHRDLU.
Count all the letters in the puzzle, look for the most common ones, and then compare them with the most common letter in the language. For example, if you discover that the most common letter in a particular puzzle is Q, then it is very likely that the Q is in place of either, E,T,A,O,I, OR N!

Vowels and spaces are going to most frequent. Consonants S,T,N and R are more common than others. The most common double letters are LL,EE, and SS.
You can also carry out frequency analysis on letter groups, especially foor small words and repeated letters. For example, compare two-letter words for common starting or ending letters. If there are three two-letter words that all start with the same letter but end with a different one, they may be words such as IT,IN, or IS.

careless25 · 2008-07-25 04:12:04

be back in a few hours.
i hope you guys solve it.

infinitebrain · 2008-07-25 05:40:16

I narrowed so Q's
A,I,or N

JaneFairfax · 2008-07-25 06:07:47

Just Google "1863 1947" (exact phrase) for names of people who were born in 1863 and died in 1947. The name Henry Ford fits. Next google a list of quotes by Henry Ford to find a matching quote.

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ZHero · 2008-07-25 07:51:10

Google???
Tht's cheating Jane! But at least you've been honest!!
But this one was to be "DECIPHERED" and that way it would have been more interesting!!!
Tehnology makes people Lazy!!!

careless25 · 2008-07-25 08:22:04

thats the rite answer jane but i didnt like the way u got it so i will be careful not to post dates.
k heres the next 1:
Vcsj eckkpdjb asqvssj qvk sudhp, D mhvmyp hdgs qk qoy qcs kjs D'us jsuso qodsw astkos. - Ims Vspq

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infinitebrain · 2008-07-25 08:52:55

it's asqvssj I know it is!
also vcsj is when

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careless25 · 2008-07-25 09:11:16

here is the frequency chart.
You will need after the next three ciphers as i wont be giving any more hints. $frequency.jpg$

careless25 · 2008-07-25 09:24:48

3) D wi jks ndqoktpwbgn, rgowtqg gugpy vpkjb wssgils ndqowpngn dq wjkscgp qsgl akpvwpn. - Sckiwq W. Gndqkj

4)Wbvp co v wuut? V lgvjp wbkou scnpquo bvsu jkp iuuj tcorksunut. - Nvglb Wvgtk Uhunokj

5)F julb refq ibrrbp imkdbp reuk tqtui sbautqb F iuah reb rfjb rm juhb fr qempr. - Siufqb Nuqaui

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mathsyperson · 2008-07-25 09:43:06

In 2, should 'hdg' be 'hdgs'?

careless25 · 2008-07-25 09:46:34

yes thank u mathsy. I will change that.

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John E. Franklin · 2008-07-25 09:48:30

careless25 · 2008-07-25 09:50:05

Its more than close, its right. Gud job John

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mathsyperson · 2008-07-25 10:11:56

Nice puzzles! I've done them all now.
Not too hard with the starting hint, but I think I'd find it much more difficult without one. Also, I think 5) should have a 'Nuqaui' in it.

careless25 · 2008-07-25 10:14:41

i mjust waitin for ppl to start finishin all of them and then i m gonna put the harder ones. I still have 600 more!!.
And i will try not make typos thx for lettin me kno.

careless25 · 2008-07-25 10:15:45

mathsyperson wrote:

Nice puzzles! I've done them all now.
Not too hard with the starting hint, but I think I'd find it much more difficult without one. Also, I think 5) should have a 'Nuqaui' in it.

You should try my brain teasers too. See the other post.

careless25 · 2008-07-25 10:25:28

The easy 100
The book i m using contains a metapuzzle and it is spread around the whole book so dont get confused if you get something abnormal.I will post the whole metapuzzle after we have finished all the other ciphers.
1)
WXFML LBH LTCH PH LBTDV PH YWD CWVH HDZK CHHL, KFCHXFZS CFNHK LBH HDZK. - BHJXHJL BFFNHJ, 31KL MK GJHKTZHDL
NO MORE HINTS!!!!
2)RH GHPHOVHP MLOLGBPH WRK ILDHP RBP UKIMLJBKJP FLSER. - QRH DKOLJ. IHQLMSZZFH RBJQ: QRH PHVHJQR BP TOKI PUKQQ LJG GKSEFLP.

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