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Phro. y = x^2 is a simple example of a parabola.
Thanks, Bob...that opened my eyes to a new field for me.
So I've explored that further, and progressed to the drawings in my post #7.
For my method #3, I had initially just used the 1.28x² - 3.84x - 5.12y = -8 equation that appeared in the Algebra window for method #2, in which I used the Parabola tool.
However, that equation was way more horrible than I expected, given that I'd used simple plotting figures: Focus (1.5,2) and Directrix y=0! I've got no idea how to construct that equation, neither does it make any sense to me.
A good online tutorial showed me how to find the much simpler-looking equation (x-1.5)² - 4(y-1), and gave me some understanding on how to make such things (if they're simple enough, that is).
Hi John;
Does your parabola show up in the Algebra window? If it does, then I don't understand why Geogebra doesn't recognise it.
The point on the directrix then drove a Locus which gave me a parabola.
How did you 'drive' it?
I can think of 3 methods (no doubt there are more) of drawing a parabola in Geogebra:
Method 1. Activate Geogebra's 'Show trace' feature on the apex of the isosceles triangle, and then draw the parabola by moving the triangle's point A along the directrix. However, no parabola entry appears in the Algebra window, indicating that Geogebra doesn't recognise it for interaction. The Intersect tool doesn't work on the parabola, and I think the trace drawing is just a non-interactive image.
This is what I got with the 'Show trace' parabola feature:
Method 2. Create the parabola with Geogebra's Parabola tool.
Method 3. Create the parabola by entering this equation into the Input box: (x-1.5)² = 4(y-1). Equation created from Focus (1.5,2), Directrix y = 0.
For methods 2 & 3, a parabola entry appears in the Algebra window (indicating interaction capability), and I used the Intersect tool to create intersection points F & G on the parabola (see below):
Hi JohnG;
Hope your experimenting is going well!
I did some of my own today, but I've hidden my results (a Geogebra drawing I did + explanatory notes). When you're ready to have a peek, just click on the hide box.
I hope my hidden info helps, but have a go at things yourself first!
When n=1 don't we want just one white triangle?Bob
Oops! Must've been my turn to bumble!!
Of course n=1 has only 1 white triangle!
New Excel image below, updated to 100% accuracy!!
Hi JohnG, and welcome to the forum!
I know some Geogebra, but not parabolas.
Anyway, I drew a parabola in Geogebra, and then a line crossing it.
I found 2 ways by which to create a Point on the line/parabola intersection.
Both require first clicking on the Intersection tool, and then either:
1. Clicking directly on the intersection; or
2. While holding down the Ctrl key (on my PC), clicking on the line and the parabola (not necessarily in that order).
Hope that works!
Hi Bob;
When we start I'll take it that n = 0; we have a single white triangle side =1
Step 1: Start with an equilateral triangle of side length 1 unit.
To me that means for Step 1, n = 1 (and for Step 2, n = 2; Step 3, n = 3; ...etc).
Looks like I got the Part c formula wrong in post #32, so here's my revised set of answers:
I drew it all up in Excel (see image), and it shows that the revised set works (I think!)
Btw, I'd expected to find the above equilateral triangle area formula on MIF, here - Area of Triangles - but it's not there.
Hi CurlyBracket;
I got the following answers from observing sequence results:
I think they work for all n values!
Hi Bob;
Btw, I can get exactly the same image with my 'old' (2021) Geogebra Classic 5 (Classic 6 is 2023).
My earliest use of Geogebra was in 2012, but I don't know which version or how capable it was.
Hi Bob;
There is also a free program called Geogebra which works similarly. Geo is more versatile but takes longer to learn. Sketchpad costs money but I got it years ago (before Geo) and it still serves me well. I like the control it gives over thickness of lines and colours.
Bob
I thought I'd try Geogebra to test the comparison with your Sketchpad, and here's what I got:
I used the Classic 6 update version which I'd never used before, and found that it took a bit of learning because of the changes from my old Classic 5. Some things just weren't intuitive enough for me now, but maybe it does more...
EDIT: Tried it again, and it took about 10 minutes. Getting more familiar with it...
Hi Bob;
To be a 'solution' there has to be sufficient evidence from the given numbers to find a unique rule that will allow you to determine the next number(s).
Expressing my method isn't as easy as I'd hoped, but here goes (and I'm sorry, I don't know how to do non-LaTeX subscripts here on MIF):
Rule: Term 1 (t1) = 4, and subsequent terms (t2, t3, etc) follow the [+1] incrementing form { t2 = t1 + t2's term position }, with arithmetic operators for the respective terms being assigned from the repeating sequence { + / * – } (starting with '+' for t2).
Here's my demonstration worksheet for the first 9 terms (note that t6's operator begins the first repeat of the operator sequence):
As you can see from the formulas in column H, calculations for terms after t1 are done entirely in column G. The other columns explain the calculations.
I'd never have got that.
I thought the same about my initial efforts, but then started again with an Excel spreadsheet to help organise & lay out my thoughts.
Light dawned while working out relationships between the adjacent given terms in column G and the various possible ways in which to arrive at each next term. That led to discovering the use of the 4 arithmetic operators, followed by recognising that the group of 4 operators was a repeating sequence.
9 / 6 = 1.5!!
mathenjoyer wrote:Never mind, I got the answer, it's 1.5
I'd really like to know the rule to get that answer!
Hi Fra1990 & Phrzby Phil;
If I've interpreted post #1's expression correctly, then...
Sorry, but simplifying that is beyond what I've learnt in maths...
Hi Bob;
Here's my method...but with a different result from mathenjoyer's:
# Term
The bold numbers are a sequence of 6 numbers from 2 to 7, and the operators used are the repeating sequence + ÷ × – .
I say 'repeating sequence', as the 5th term repeats the '+' used in the 1st term....from which it follows that the 6th term would use the '÷' from the 2nd term.
9 / 6 = 1.5!!
I think that 9 / 6 follows the correct strategy, but is incorrect because of a small error.
...unless I'm wrong!
Oculus8596 has missed the whole point of tackling these wonderfully challenging Project Euler Problems!
Problem #83 Path Sum: Four Ways:
The 80 by 80 matrix can be downloaded from here: matrix.txt
I solved it in Excel (spreadsheet), borrowing from the logic of my Excel solution for problem #81.
It was only marginally more challenging than #81 in Excel.
Problem #82 Path Sum: Three Ways:
The 80 by 80 matrix can be downloaded from here: matrix.txt.
I solved it in Excel (spreadsheet), borrowing from the logic of my Excel solution for problem #81.
Problem #81 Path Sum: Two Ways:
The 80 by 80 matrix can be downloaded from here: matrix.txt.
I managed to solve this one in Excel (spreadsheet). Had to google for a logic clue first, though, after failing with my attempts at M & BASIC code.
Problem #18 (Maximum Path Sum I):
Problem #67 Maximum Path Sum II):
The large triangles for both problems can be downloaded from the links I gave.
bobbym's Down the rows and columns game thread from 2012 has 3 more of these. I solved them longhand back then coz they were easy enough. Also, I just hadn't considered using code.
I solved #18 longhand, but #67 was much too big for that! I tried and failed with M & BASIC code, but worked out a nice Excel (spreadsheet) solution for each of them (including bobbym's). Had to google for a logic clue first, though.
I've solved #48 in M...a bit too big for Excel!
Not too big for my freeware Just BASIC program, though.
That's how I first solved it in M, but later improved it to follow the more standard M way with their functions.
PS...I found a solution in M, but need to work a bit on my code still.
I've tidied it up a fair bit, but I'm sure it can still be improved further (or changed altogether!).
See how long #45 takes you, I considered that a win.
I looked for a method in M for half an hour or so, but formed no real idea on how to go about it.
So, I opened my trusty Excel, and found the answer in about 20 minutes.
I'll have to try M again, though...but not sure when.
From bobbym's signature: Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
PS...I found a solution in M, but need to work a bit on my code still.
Haven't tried #45 yet, but succeeded with #40 after several clumsy goes at it.
Solved it in M, starting with some awful code that I didn't like, improved it a bit (still didn't like it), and eventually got something I'm quite pleased with.
Yes...I agree with your last comment.
Always learning!
Hi K_R;
I've done 16, 20 & 25, but that'll do me for now (bed time).
I used M for all three, with #25 taking the longest. For that one, I initially found a solution with a For loop, but then a better one with M's Fibonacci function, which I didn't know existed until it occurred to me that it might.
I suspect that rounding might come into this...
I've never heard of error intervals, but rounding is uppermost in my mind atm because I'm working on a tricky problem where rounding is critical in finding solutions.
Hi again, Relentless! Still 'Keep_'-ing the old name going, I see.
Yes, I thought you were you, your username being a good clue; + your use the other day of 'M' for Mathematica, the abbreviation that bobbym and I used frequently in our many conversations...and maybe you did in yours with him too.
We met in several threads about 8 years ago, one being The missing dollar (& the 2 extra dollars). Well, the sad news since then is that my HP 32SII that I based the puzzle on conked out 3 years ago. However, I found an HP 33S (HP 32SII's successor) for only $35, and all's happy again.
Welcome back!