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#27 Re: Puzzles and Games » Weather forecast » 2016-05-05 05:45:46

Hey bobbym (:

We must eliminate the apparent chance they are both right or both wrong (25% each for total of 50%). Then:

#28 Re: Help Me ! » correct formula » 2016-05-05 04:25:23

Oh my god... The 'correct' solution is a picture of some excel cells exactly as given in post #25. And when oranghijau posted your answer.... which, by a stroke of luck, exactly corresponds to the products in those cells expanded to addition/subtraction... it is greeted with scrutiny, the admonition to not overcomplicate things and keep it simple stupid, a restatement of the now unmasked rubbish condition to only use the digits once (which is based on lacking the imagination to convert between addition and multiplication), and the final admission that even though the answer differs from the original one (which, even if that were an excuse, is totally false), it appears to work

#29 Re: Help Me ! » correct formula » 2016-05-05 04:03:37

Sorry, 837. That should be the number of valid solutions with the first digit multiplied only by 1 (I forgot) and the others multiplied by positive integers from 1 to 10. Infinite solutions are for when you extend to any coefficients satisfying post #3's terms. And that's just a small part of the range of answers with very restricted boundaries, within one fixed application of operations (multiplying by coefficients and summing).

Cannot speak for answers with no repetition or reordering and +,*,() only, though.

#30 Re: Help Me ! » correct formula » 2016-05-05 03:41:28

Also, how is it any more valid a solution than the original one of post #2...

Just generated 835 more such formulas in addition to the 2 we stated in excel in the hopes of finding something easy to convert to a form with "no repetition", as well. I don't know what's more painful; the problem, or the comprehension skills of those promoting it.

#31 Re: Help Me ! » correct formula » 2016-05-05 01:25:48

phrontister wrote:

You'll find that the answers I posted are correct.

I concur smile However, there are infinitely many correct solutions of a similar type.

#32 Re: Puzzles and Games » Weather forecast » 2016-05-04 23:53:42

Hi smile Typically, to find the chance of two random events both occurring, multiply the probabilities. In this case, however, they cannot both be right (.8*.9=.72) or both be wrong (.2*.1=.02). So we have to eliminate this artificial 74% to get probabilities out of the remaining 0.26 instead of 1.

#33 Re: Help Me ! » correct formula » 2016-05-04 23:30:42

Hi phrontister (:

Ignore the OP, Your formula:

Satisfies the three conditions of post #3 and is also correct.

I meant to add that it is expected to be solved without repetition of numbers as well.

But regarding the supposed solution with extra conditions - Use the numbers once in their given order to produce the answers using only +, * and () in the same manner - while it might exist and be valid, I would not trouble myself very much over it, since the creator of this problem on a different site seems too mathematically illiterate to understand what we are even doing here.

#34 Re: Puzzles and Games » Weather forecast » 2016-05-04 22:44:28

I think the chance of rain is

In any case, be inclined to expect rain.

#36 Re: Jai Ganesh's Puzzles » Oral puzzles » 2016-05-04 20:47:04

Hi (:

For #2889 I agree with ganesh

#37 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Two boxes » 2016-05-04 08:11:39

My answer:

The paramount ambiguity in the paradox is whether the content of box A is, or is not, somehow dependent on the decision. It appears to many not to be because in fact there cannot be a physical causation. Those with this view are content to assert that taking box B as well will yield strictly $1k more than not doing so, irrespective of the prediction. However, the contention here is that this view is in error due to an overlooked inference. While the decision does not cause the content of the box, the prediction does; and the prediction is thoroughly correlated with the decision. Although the decision does not cause the prediction, the prediction (and hence the content of the box) can be inferred from the decision. Therefore, the content does indirectly depend on the decision. Those who intuit that the content of the box is fixed may be answered: Yes, but only in the sense that the decision is fixed; for the one invariably corresponds to the other. (Incidentally, if the expectation of the choices are modelled as functions of the accuracy of the predictor, it is determined that, due to the high stakes, for box A alone to be preferred the predictor need only be more than 50.5% accurate. Box A alone is potentially a winning strategy even with an ordinary human predictor!)

#40 Re: Jai Ganesh's Puzzles » Oral puzzles » 2016-05-03 18:01:43

Oh wow #2886 was a sneaky question! tongue (btw if bobbym's interpretation of the problem were valid, (3,-2) and (-1,-2) would also have been possible)

#43 Re: Help Me ! » correct formula » 2016-05-03 16:05:05

Hi thickhead, hahahah smile

What OP is looking for is not necessarily a mathematical formula, but any algorithm for manipulating those numbers into those answers. For example, the first line might be

, which works for only the first line because for example
. The only rule is that exactly the same algorithm has to work for all three lines.

#44 Re: Help Me ! » Help with box- and whiskers? » 2016-05-03 14:37:47

Hi smile

This question was meant to be tricky and make you think! Applying your method, you would be getting 10.5 and 6.5 for 17. But what you need to do is separate the games on either side of 55 and the games on exactly 55. If you think hard, you may reason that team B has 6 games above 55, 6 games below, and 1 at exactly 55. So you count 7. And similarly, that team A has 10 games above 55, 3 games below, and 1 at exactly 55. So you count 11. This gives you the answer of 18, which they wanted.

However, I think this is a faulty question. It is possible that there are more scores at exactly 55. I will try to be more precise about this later.

#45 Re: Help Me ! » Help with box- and whiskers? » 2016-05-03 13:11:28

When blown up, it is not clear enough to read sad
146232414950819?6889138799

#47 Re: Help Me ! » correct formula » 2016-05-03 13:02:46

Looking at it more algebraically, and dealing with only the method of multiplying each digit by a separate number and summing the products, I determined, using the notation

to denote the number multiplied by the nth digit, that only the set of numbers satisfying the following three conditions will evaluate to the correct answers:
1.

2.

3.

#48 Re: Help Me ! » Statistics Prob? Don't know. » 2016-05-03 12:28:29

"C" and "D" correspond to options "H)" and "J)"

#50 Re: Help Me ! » correct formula » 2016-05-03 12:17:36

This is darn hard to do by trial and error, but I did come up with one artificial-looking system.

Add all of the digits together, multiply by four, and then add the last digit minus the fourth digit.

In other words, multiply the fourth digit by 3, the last digit by 5, all the others by 4, and sum to get the answer.

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