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jozou

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"sum of numbers = product of that numbers" problem

Hi guys,

find all solutions of equation a + b + c = a . b . c, where a ≤ b ≤ c are positive integers.

Well, by trial and error method I found out that 1+2+3 = 1.2.3
Probably there is no other solution, but how can I proove that? I tried case analysis, but unsuccessfully. Any idea? Thanks!

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Re: "sum of numbers = product of that numbers" problem

Hi jozou;

You are correct that is the only solution but I do not have a proof to that.

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Re: "sum of numbers = product of that numbers" problem

hi jozou

The restrictions on a, b and c make it very likely that's the only solution and a proof by exhaustion (trying all cases) should do it.

If a = b = c = 3 then the product is way too big compared with the sum.

Make any one variable bigger than three and the product gets even larger than before.

So you only need to consider cases less than or equal to three.  That about wraps it up for one solution only.

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reconsideryouranswer

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Re: "sum of numbers = product of that numbers" problem

a + b + c = abc

abc - a = b + c

a(bc - 1) = b + c

Last edited by reconsideryouranswer (2011-08-03 02:03:49)

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Re: "sum of numbers = product of that numbers" problem

hi reconsideryouranswer

Where did that line come from?

If c = 3 then b le 1.6666 which would force b to be 1 ??

I think the end of your proof needs a re-think.   

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jozou

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Re: "sum of numbers = product of that numbers" problem

One guy found really nice proof:

Let a ≤ b ≤ c be positive integers, s.t. equation a+b+c = a.b.c holds.

If a > 1, then 4c ≤ a.b.c = a+b+c. So 3c ≤ a+b, what contradicts a ≤ b ≤ c.
So a= 1. Now we have to solve 1+b+c = b.c. Then b.(c-1) = 1+b+c - b = 1 + c, (b-1).(c-1) = 1 + c - (c-1) = 2.
So (b-1).(c-1) = 2. Hence the only solution satistying assumptions is b = 2, c = 3.

jozou

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Re: "sum of numbers = product of that numbers" problem

hi jouzo

If a > 1, then 4c ≤ a.b.c = a+b+c. So 3c ≤ a+b, what contradicts a ≤ b ≤ c.

Don't understand where the 4c bit came from.  Can you expand this please?

Bob

If a > 1, then a ≥ 2. Next b ≥ a, so b ≥ 2. Hence a.b ≥ 4.
So  a+b+c = a.b.c ≥ 4c.

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Re: "sum of numbers = product of that numbers" problem

hi

Sorry. I was being stupid.  (too early in the morning for me) I worked it out, so I deleted my post.  Thought you had gone off-line.

Nice proof.  Thanks.

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Re: "sum of numbers = product of that numbers" problem

hi reconsideryouranswer

Where did that line come from?

If c = 3 then b le 1.6666 which would force b to be 1 ??

I think the end of your proof needs a re-think.   

Bob

My post has been reedited to show the
correct denominator of (c - 1).

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Re: "sum of numbers = product of that numbers" problem

hi reconsideryouranswer,

Thanks for the edit.  That makes good sense to me now. 

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