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juantheron

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distribution of balls

the number of ways of distributing 10 identical balls in 4 distinct boxes such that no box is empty......give proper explaination plz

anonimnystefy

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Re: distribution of balls

Hi juan

Let us repesent the balls with zeros. Let us think of the bixes as they were glued together so that they look like compartments with 3 dividers between them. We can represent the balls and the dividers like this:

0000000000 | | |

Where the three lines are the dividers. Now we look at how many permutations we can make from the whole set of dividers and balls. Since there are 13 elements in total in that set we have 13! permutations,but since te balls are identical we must exclude their permutations by dividing by 10! and we do the same for the dividers because they are identical so the number of ways is:

13!/(10!*3!)

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bobbym

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Re: distribution of balls

Hi juantheron;

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mathmatiKs

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Re: distribution of balls

anonimnystefy
I think you miss something. Tell me if I'm wrong.

Says they have to be the 4 boxes full.

It means that the combination 000000|00|00| not allowed since the fourth box would be empty.
I would have to subtract these possible ways taking it to 000000|00|00 being "|" missing one of the stops.
And also when it is of the form 00000000|00||  and form 0000000000||| .
As would be empty boxes.

Last edited by mathmatiKs (2012-04-15 05:06:31)

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Re: distribution of balls

And yet anonimnystefy has the same answer as bobbym.

Interesting.

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bobbym

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Re: distribution of balls

Hi juantheron;

Forgot the constraint that there is no box empty. The formula is:

I believe the generating function is

Look at the coefficient of x^10, that is the answer.

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anonimnystefy

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Re: distribution of balls

If you wanted to do it the classic way you could just put one ball in each box and then work as though you had 6 balls left.

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Re: distribution of balls

well u want no box to be empty put 1 ball in any of the box n freeze it n put remaining 9 balls in remaining boxes so the ans would be

r = no of balls
n = no of boxes

(r-1
    C
      n-1)