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#51 2013-12-12 06:40:43
- evinda
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Re: Wronskian use identities !
But the Wronkian should be nonzero..So,what do I have to do??
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#52 2013-12-12 06:43:02
- bobbym
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Re: Wronskian use identities !
I do not know why it should be non zero.
Did you compute the Wronskian?
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#53 2013-12-12 06:48:00
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Re: Wronskian use identities !
I do not know why it should be non zero.
Did you compute the Wronskian?
Because there is a theorem that says that if two solutions of a differential equation are linearly independent,their Wronskian is nonzero!!!
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#54 2013-12-12 06:54:48
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Re: Wronskian use identities !
How do you know the two solutions are linearly independent?
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#55 2013-12-12 07:57:13
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Re: Wronskian use identities !
How do you know the two solutions are linearly independent?
Because the exercise says that v1,v2 are solutions of the differential equation so that
is not constant..So,.So, ...
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#56 2013-12-12 08:13:08
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Re: Wronskian use identities !
That is true but have you used the solutions to compute the wronskian?
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#57 2013-12-12 08:37:03
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Re: Wronskian use identities !
That is true but have you used the solutions to compute the wronskian?
Can't I just write that the Wronskian is equal to:
| v_{1}(0) (v_{1}(0))' |
| v_{2}(0) (v_{2}(0))' |
Do you mean that I have to solve the differential equation that is given for
and ?Last edited by evinda (2013-12-12 08:37:26)
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#58 2013-12-12 10:52:48
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Re: Wronskian use identities !
Of course you do, but you already got the solution to DE earlier.
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#59 2013-12-13 09:37:07
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Re: Wronskian use identities !
Of course you do, but you already got the solution to DE earlier.
But then don't we find that v1(x)=v2(x) ? Or not? I haven't understood...
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#60 2013-12-13 09:54:31
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Re: Wronskian use identities !
That is what I am saying. If there is only one solution. Is there another solution?
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#61 2013-12-13 11:18:19
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Re: Wronskian use identities !
That is what I am saying. If there is only one solution. Is there another solution?
There should be..because v1 and v2 are linearly independent
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#62 2013-12-13 11:20:41
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Re: Wronskian use identities !
What is the other solution?
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#63 2013-12-13 11:26:53
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Re: Wronskian use identities !
There are infinitely many solutions.
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#64 2013-12-13 11:29:15
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Re: Wronskian use identities !
Yes but when you plug them into that determinant they are going to become 0.
We have no particular solution just a 1 general one. To continue with this route he will need 2 different general solutions.
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