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phanthanhtom

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64 pawns

Here is a hard problem that 99% of people here will get to answer it in 5 minutes.

"There is an 8x8 chessboard. 32 black pawns and 32 white pawns are to be placed on the board such that no pawn can capture another of the opposite color. Assume that no pawn is promoted, and the rules for the pawns to capture another piece is otherwise in power (i.e. except the promotion rule all other rules concerning the pawn is still used), find the number of ways to place the 64 pawns. (Note that we cannot turn the chessboard)

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Re: 64 pawns

Hi phanthanhtom

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phanthanhtom

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Re: 64 pawns

So there are those 2 answers, but there are tons of other answers.
For example on a standard chessboard, if a black pawn is present on H4, there are no less than 143 solutions. And there are still other answers, when a white pawn is present on H4.
The question isn't about creating a configure, but counting them all.

anonimnystefy

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Re: 64 pawns

Oh, sorry, misread it. It seems like a mighty hard job counting them all.

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phanthanhtom

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Re: 64 pawns

Is nobody really caring about this? I really need it! Please help, people!
It is actually a nightmare to draw them up and count one by one, but I can't find any other way. I say, 99% of the people here can do it, they just have't read it.

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Re: 64 pawns

I don't think that is true. The problem is quite hard.

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phanthanhtom

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Re: 64 pawns

Why isnt Bobbym doing it?

anonimnystefy

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Re: 64 pawns

I do not know. Free will?

How do you know he is not?

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phanthanhtom

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Re: 64 pawns

I don't know, but since he isn't posting anything I guess he has no interest.
I think a fair estimate would be 6000 - 6500 ways. Hope the most genius-like people here will do it.

anonimnystefy

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Re: 64 pawns

Hm, I think we would be able to help you more if you tell us where this problem comes from.

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phanthanhtom

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Re: 64 pawns

a secondary math teacher.

David

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Re: 64 pawns

Hmm.. White = 32! Black = 32! = 5.252516739x10^35

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phanthanhtom

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Re: 64 pawns

That is terribly nonsense, because the black pawns and white pawns are identical except for the colours.
Disregarding the rule that a pawn can't attack another, we still could only have up to 64C32 ways.

David

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Re: 64 pawns

Nonsense indeed, at least I tried. Care explaining where you get the question from?

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phanthanhtom

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Re: 64 pawns

Again, I got it from a secondary school teacher.

David

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Re: 64 pawns

Why don't you ask him/her?

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phanthanhtom

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Re: 64 pawns

Well because I won't meet him for another month, and after all he is using this to puzzle me.
He won't give away the answers.

David

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Re: 64 pawns

Maybe give me the full question? If this isn't.

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phanthanhtom

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Re: 64 pawns

No, that question on the top is the full question.

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Re: 64 pawns

That is the easisest configuration but I have not proven that it is the only but I will make a bold conjecture.

Posts like post 13 are considered to be rude.

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phanthanhtom

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Re: 64 pawns

Ok but I can prove that those are not the only cofigurations.

anonimnystefy

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Re: 64 pawns

Hi Agnishom

The question is how many there are.

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Re: 64 pawns

Ok but I can prove that those are not the only cofigurations.

Counterexample please?

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Re: 64 pawns

Hi Agnishom,

A counterexample...one of many:

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Re: 64 pawns

Oh no, I forgot that pawns do not attack backwards.

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