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Al-Allo

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Evaluating arctan(−10)

I was wondering, how could I find the exact value of arctan(−10) ? We know that an approximation of the exact value would be arctan(−10)≈−1.47112 rad but if we wanted the exact value in radians, How would I find it ?

Thank you!

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Re: Evaluating arctan(−10)

Hi;

One way to calculate to as many digits as is necessary is to make use of the identity:

Now we use the Taylor series:

substituting x = 10 in the RHS we get 1.471127674302833 which is off by one in the 12th place.

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Al-Allo

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Re: Evaluating arctan(−10)

I didn't see taylor series... and i want a closed form for arctan(-10)...

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Re: Evaluating arctan(−10)

A closed form? It is already a closed form.

In mathematics, a closed-form expression is a mathematical expression that can be evaluated in a finite number of operations. It may contain constants, variables, certain "well-known" operations (e.g., + − × ÷), and functions (e.g., nth root, exponent, logarithm, trigonometric functions, and inverse hyperbolic functions), but e.g. usually no limit. The set of operations and functions admitted in a closed-form expression may vary with author and context.

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Re: Evaluating arctan(−10)

I was wondering, how could I find the exact value of arctan(−10) ? We know that an approximation of the exact value would be arctan(−10)≈−1.47112 rad but if we wanted the exact value in radians, How would I find it ?

Thank you!

arctan is already a closed form. What you are looking for is a finite combination of +,-,*,/, and ^ which is called an Algebraic Expression.

Why must arctan(-10) have an Algebraic Expression? As a matter of fact it does not have such an expression.

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Al-Allo

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Re: Evaluating arctan(−10)

Ok, but how am I supposed to know if there is an algebraic expression or not ? Whether we're talking about arctan, arcsin, arccos, etc.

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Re: Evaluating arctan(−10)

In some ways that is a very difficult question to answer. In the last part of the 20th century a couple of guys starting with Ferguson developed algorithms to determine whether or not some number could be represented in terms of known constants.

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Re: Evaluating arctan(−10)

Galois theory!

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Re: Evaluating arctan(−10)

Nope, something way more important. It has been called the algorithm of the 20th century and hardly anyone knows anything about it.

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Al-Allo

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Re: Evaluating arctan(−10)

OK, I thought that we could always represent them in algebraic expressions....anywya, thank you!

anonimnystefy

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Re: Evaluating arctan(−10)

Nope, something way more important. It has been called the algorithm of the 20th century and hardly anyone knows anything about it.

Might that be PSLQ?

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Re: Evaluating arctan(−10)

Or LLL

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Re: Evaluating arctan(−10)

All true and correct.

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