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#1 2006-07-23 00:19:30

roel
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solving exponents manually

can u please teach me how to solve exponents manually? thanks in advance

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#2 2006-07-23 00:26:11

krassi_holmz
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Re: solving exponents manually

What does "exponents" mean at all?
If it's a^x=b, then x=ln(b)/ln(a)


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#3 2006-07-23 00:27:11

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Re: solving exponents manually

please give some example.


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#4 2006-07-23 00:31:44

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Re: solving exponents manually

for example, 2^59 or 2^-59... without using any calculator.. in smaller numbers for example, 2^3=8...

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#5 2006-07-23 00:38:33

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Re: solving exponents manually

my question is how to get the n in 2^59=n or 2^-59=n... thanks again.

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#6 2006-07-23 01:22:58

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Re: solving exponents manually

I have a question.. Do you know what

means? If you do, I can't see how you can have problems calculating it manually.


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#7 2006-07-23 01:27:22

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Re: solving exponents manually

aha!

I don't know any method. (which gives exact)


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#8 2006-07-23 01:32:11

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Re: solving exponents manually

Patrick wrote:

I have a question.. Do you know what

means? If you do, I can't see how you can have problems calculating it manually.

But he is talking about 2^59, which is much more hard to compute.
Here is it:
2^59=576460752303423488
2^-59=1/(2^59)≈ 1.734723475976807094411924481391906738281e-18


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#9 2006-07-23 01:35:56

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Re: solving exponents manually

Sorry Patrick.
You mean the definition of exponent?
If b is a positive integer integer, then
a^b=a.a.a.a. ... .a --->b times
For example a^1=a; a^2=a.a; a^3=a.a.a
By definition a^0=1;
If b is negative, we use:


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#10 2006-07-23 01:49:52

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Re: solving exponents manually

krassi_holmz wrote:
Patrick wrote:

I have a question.. Do you know what

means? If you do, I can't see how you can have problems calculating it manually.

But he is talking about 2^59, which is much more hard to compute.
Here is it:
2^59=576460752303423488
2^-59=1/(2^59)≈ 1.734723475976807094411924481391906738281e-18

yeah ur right... i can only calculate exponents manually if small values are involved.. Sorry, but i still can't understand how you came up with that answer... any other methods?

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#11 2006-07-23 01:51:09

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Re: solving exponents manually

or let  us assume that i am not using a scientific calculator? how will i calculate the exponents?

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#12 2006-07-23 02:36:50

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Re: solving exponents manually

roel wrote:

or let  us assume that i am not using a scientific calculator? how will i calculate the exponents?

as long as it is a small integer values, you can just do

x^n = x*x*x*x.....n times
x^-n = 1/(x*x*x*x....n times)

if it is fractional, and it is a half, most non scientific calculates will still carry a square root

x^0.5 = √x
x^-0.5 = 1/√x

and from there, aslong as the exponent is 1/ some multiple of 2, you can use square roots, so example

x^0.25 = √√x
x^0.125 = √√√x
x^0.0625 = √√√√x

another important rule, is that x^(a/b)  = (b root of x)^a

so for example x^3/4 = 4th root of x, cubed, so aslong as the exponent is some combination of 1/ some multiple of 2, you can get it with non scientific too, for example

x^0.75 = x^(3*0.25) = (√√x)*(√√x)*(√√x) = (√x)*(√√x) -> x^(0.5+0.25)
x^0.625 = x^(6*0.125) = (√√√x)*(√√√x)*(√√√x)*(√√√x)*(√√√x)*(√√√x) = (√x)*(√√√x)  -> x^(0.5+0.125)

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#13 2006-07-23 02:48:40

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Re: solving exponents manually

what if, i only have a pen and a paper?

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#14 2006-07-23 03:03:49

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Re: solving exponents manually

For example, non-presice result for 2^59:
2^10=1024>10^3;
2^3=8<10;



So 2^59 is between 5*10^17 and 4*10^19, and actually is 5 10^18

With choosing different numbers, you may get more accurate results.

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#15 2006-07-23 03:04:34

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Re: solving exponents manually

well. you cant.. not unless its obvious

like what is 2^3, 2*2=4, *2 = 8
or 4^0.5 = 2
27^(2/3) = 9 -> 27^1/3 = cube root, = 3, squared = 9


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#16 2006-07-23 03:11:15

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Re: solving exponents manually

luca-deltodesco wrote:

well. you cant.. not unless its obvious

like what is 2^3, 2*2=4, *2 = 8
or 4^0.5 = 2
27^(2/3) = 9 -> 27^1/3 = cube root, = 3, squared = 9

Yes.
For example, 2^93=9903520314283042199192993792, which is very close to 10^...
But there's another problem-you can't practically use the above, because you must know fast way to evaluate 2^k for every positive integer k<93


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