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## #1 2016-10-22 03:36:53

evene
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### Rearranging students in a class

There are 8 students in a class, including Gina and Christina. In how many ways can you arrange them in a row so that Gina and Christina are always next to each other? Show your work in detail.

My thinking, is that there are 8 places for Gina to be seated, and then 2 spots for Christina to be seated. This leaves 6! places for the rest of the people to be seated. Is that correct?

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## #2 2016-10-22 04:27:24

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### Re: Rearranging students in a class

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## #3 2016-10-22 04:33:22

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### Re: Rearranging students in a class

So you're saying that to solve this problem, first pretend that Gina and Christina are the same people, and then find a way to arrange 7! people?

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## #4 2016-10-22 06:25:15

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### Re: Rearranging students in a class

I think that overcounts. You were close with your first answer but overcounted there too. Assuming that the six remaining students are distinguishable I am getting 14 * 6! = 10080

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## #5 2016-10-22 17:23:26

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### Re: Rearranging students in a class

No overcounting. 7!*2! ; 2! for permutation within the rope.

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## #6 2016-10-23 00:37:14

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### Re: Rearranging students in a class

Thickhead is right. Let's first seat all the "noname-students" randomly, there are 6! ways to do that. Now we choose a random spot for our Frankenstein's Monster (aka both of them tied together), which can be in one of 7 places, i.e. 7C1 (which is just 7), so we get 6!*7 = 7!. Now we can double that count for a) Gina-Christina and b) Christina-Gina.

So we get 7!*2, which is obviously the same as 7!*2!.

Edit: Just to clarify why the opening post is wrong: You assume there are 8 different spots for Gina to be seated, but you can't sit Gina to the right (or left) of Christina, so there are actually only 7.

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## #7 2016-10-23 01:50:55

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### Re: Rearranging students in a class

In how many ways can you arrange them in a row

In arrangements order counts. _ _ c g _ _ _ _ and _ _ g c _ _ _ _ are different.

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## #8 2016-10-23 02:09:47

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### Re: Rearranging students in a class

That's what the factor 2 is accounting for (cases a) and b) in my post).

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## #9 2016-10-23 02:13:51

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### Re: Rearranging students in a class

Hi;

I was just adding something to my method for evene. See my post #4. You have the same answer I do.

I do not thickhead noticed that.

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## #10 2016-10-23 03:38:21

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### Re: Rearranging students in a class

Permutations always go by logic. Whatever be the logic finally they should converge.But the logic must be clear and not be too long winded. If 3 people are to sit together also I use the same logic 6!*3!

Last edited by thickhead (2016-10-23 03:39:09)

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