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**mcapone888****Novice**- Registered: 2023-03-07
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Hi everyone.

I feel I have a good handle on expanding and condensing logarithms, but I saw a problem on a test prep sheet that threw me:

- ln(5) - ln(3) - 16 ln(x)

Almost all of my problems like this up to this point started with a positive. So I would take the positives and put them in the numerator and put anything that started with a negative in the denominator. But these are all negatives. Should I multiply all values by -1 turning them all positive and then condensing them using multiplication instead? Or maybe I should put a 1 in the numerator and everything else in the denominator?

Note - I know to move the 16 to the exponent spot of the x, but I have no idea what I should do about that negative sign that starts everything off?

Please help? If possible, I am looking for a quick explanation and not just the answer (in case I come across more like these). Thanks!!!

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**Bob****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi mcapone888

Welcome to the forum.

There are three rules that will cover most of these questions.

These work whatever the log base so work for ln(x) too.

Let's deal with the easier bit first.

The negatives mean all three must end up on the bottom of a fraction, so what goes on top?

Think of it as 0 - ln(5) - ln(3) - 16 ln(x)

So now write 0 as a log.

so the top number for the fraction is 1.

Can you finish this from here?

Bob

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**mcapone888****Novice**- Registered: 2023-03-07
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I am thinking:

1 / 15x^16

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**Bob****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi mcapone888

Yes, that's it! But don't forget the ln

Bob

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