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**Jai Ganesh****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-06-28
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CN # 1

What is the value of

where i=√(-1)?

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**Ricky****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-12-04
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"In the real world, this would be a problem. But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist. So we'll go ahead and do that now..."

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**Jai Ganesh****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-06-28
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Well Ricky, that was a cryptic answer.

You got it right!

*Well done !!!*

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**Ricky****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-12-04
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I thought we were doing *complex* numbers.

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**Jai Ganesh****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-06-28
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Yes, we are, Ricky.

You gave Euler's identity as the solution, I was referring that.

CN # 2

Find the fifth roots of unity and their sum.

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**Ricky****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-12-04
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Heh, yea, it was a bad pun. I gave a complex solution...

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**krassi_holmz****Real Member**- Registered: 2005-12-02
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You can express this so:

<==+1

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**namealreadychosen****Member**- Registered: 2011-07-23
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a^2+b^2=1

b/a=tan(n*360/5)

1, 0.31+0.95i, 0.81+0.59i, -0.31-0.95i, -0.81-0.59i

sum=1

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**Jai Ganesh****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-06-28
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Hi namealreadychosen,

In polar form, 1 = cos(2πk) + i sin(2πk) for any integer k.

==> The 5 fifth roots of unity are given by

cos(2πk/5) + i sin(2πk/5) for k = 0,1,2,3,4.

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If you want the answer not in trigonometric form, we need to be more crafty.

Since x^5 - 1 = 0 is the equation for the fifth roots of unity:

(x - 1)(x^4 + x^3 + x^2 + x + 1) = 0.

The first factor yields x = 1.

As for the second factor, rewrite it as

x^2 + x + 1 + 1/x + 1/x^2 = 0 (divide both sides by x^2)

==> (x^2 + 1/x^2) + (x + 1/x) + 1 = 0

==> [(x + 1/x)^2 - 2] + (x + 1/x) + 1 = 0.

Letting z = x + 1/x yields

z^2 + z - 1 = 0.

Now, we have a quadratic in z!

==> z = (-1 ± √5) / 2.

Now, we solve for x.

Since z = x + 1/x = (-1 ± √5) / 2,

2x^2 - x[-1 ± √5] + 2 = 0.

The plus sign yields

x = [(1 - √5) ± sqrt((6 - 2√5) - 16)] / 4

= [(1 - √5) ± i * sqrt(10 + 2√5)] / 4.

The negative sign yields

x = [(1 + √5) ± sqrt((6 + 2√5) - 16)] / 4

= [(1 + √5) ± i * sqrt(10 - 2√5)] / 4.

In summary, the five fifth roots of unity (in radical form) are

x = 1, [(1 - √5) ± i * sqrt(10 + 2√5)] / 4, [(1 + √5) ± i * sqrt(10 - 2√5)] / 4.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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hi ganesh

why don't you continue posting problems here?

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**Jai Ganesh****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-06-28
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Hi anonimnystefy,

OK. I shall post problems here too.

CN#3. If

, then what is b equal to?Nothing is better than reading and gaining more and more knowledge - Stephen William Hawking.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi ganesh;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.****If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**** Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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hi ganesh

thanks

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**Jai Ganesh****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-06-28
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Hi bobbym and anonimnystefy,

CN #4. The complex number

lies in which quadrant?Nothing is better than reading and gaining more and more knowledge - Stephen William Hawking.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi ganesh;

Yes, you are right, I had that and forgot about the root of 3! A really stupid mistake!

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.****If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**** Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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hi ganesh

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi ganesh,

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**Jai Ganesh****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-06-28
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Hi bobbym, anonimnystefy, and gAr,

The solutions CN #3 and CN #4 are correct. Brilliant!

I shall post more problems here soon!

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**Jai Ganesh****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-06-28
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CN #5. Find the real and imaginary parts of the complex number

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi ganesh;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.****If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**** Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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hi ganesh

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**Jai Ganesh****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-06-28
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Hi bobbym and anonimnystefy,

The solution CN#5 is correct. Neat job!

CN #6. If

is a cube root of unity, then what is the value of ?Nothing is better than reading and gaining more and more knowledge - Stephen William Hawking.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi ganesh;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.****If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**** Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.**

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**Jai Ganesh****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-06-28
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Hi;

The solution CN#6 is correct. Excellent, bobbym and zetafunc!

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