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Jai Ganesh

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Complex Numbers

CN # 1

What is the value of

where i=√(-1)?

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Re: Complex Numbers

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Jai Ganesh

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Re: Complex Numbers

Well Ricky, that was a cryptic answer.
You got it right!

Well done !!!

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Re: Complex Numbers

I thought we were doing complex numbers.

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Jai Ganesh

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Yes, we are, Ricky.
You gave Euler's identity as the solution, I was referring that.

CN # 2

Find the fifth roots of unity and their sum.

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Re: Complex Numbers

Heh, yea, it was a bad pun.  I gave a complex solution...

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krassi_holmz

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Re: Complex Numbers

You can express this so:

<==+1

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namealreadychosen

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Re: Complex Numbers

a^2+b^2=1
b/a=tan(n*360/5)

1, 0.31+0.95i, 0.81+0.59i, -0.31-0.95i, -0.81-0.59i
sum=1

Jai Ganesh

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Re: Complex Numbers

Hi namealreadychosen,

In polar form, 1 = cos(2πk) + i sin(2πk) for any integer k.
==> The 5 fifth roots of unity are given by
cos(2πk/5) + i sin(2πk/5) for k = 0,1,2,3,4.
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If you want the answer not in trigonometric form, we need to be more crafty.

Since x^5 - 1 = 0 is the equation for the fifth roots of unity:
(x - 1)(x^4 + x^3 + x^2 + x + 1) = 0.

The first factor yields x = 1.

As for the second factor, rewrite it as
x^2 + x + 1 + 1/x + 1/x^2 = 0 (divide both sides by x^2)
==> (x^2 + 1/x^2) + (x + 1/x) + 1 = 0
==> [(x + 1/x)^2 - 2] + (x + 1/x) + 1 = 0.

Letting z = x + 1/x yields
z^2 + z - 1 = 0.

Now, we have a quadratic in z!
==> z = (-1 ± √5) / 2.

Now, we solve for x.
Since z = x + 1/x = (-1 ± √5) / 2,

2x^2 - x[-1 ± √5] + 2 = 0.

The plus sign yields
x = [(1 - √5) ± sqrt((6 - 2√5) - 16)] / 4
= [(1 - √5) ± i * sqrt(10 + 2√5)] / 4.

The negative sign yields
x = [(1 + √5) ± sqrt((6 + 2√5) - 16)] / 4
= [(1 + √5) ± i * sqrt(10 - 2√5)] / 4.

In summary, the five fifth roots of unity (in radical form) are
x = 1, [(1 - √5) ± i * sqrt(10 + 2√5)] / 4, [(1 + √5) ± i * sqrt(10 - 2√5)] / 4.

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Re: Complex Numbers

hi ganesh

why don't you continue posting problems here?

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Re: Complex Numbers

Hi anonimnystefy,

OK. I shall post problems here too.

CN#3.  If

, then what is b equal to?

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Re: Complex Numbers

Hi ganesh;

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Re: Complex Numbers

hi ganesh

thanks

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Re: Complex Numbers

Hi bobbym and anonimnystefy,

CN #4. The complex number

lies in which quadrant?

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Re: Complex Numbers

Hi ganesh;

Yes, you are right, I had that and forgot about the root of 3! A really stupid mistake!

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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Re: Complex Numbers

hi ganesh

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Re: Complex Numbers

Hi ganesh,

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Jai Ganesh

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Re: Complex Numbers

Hi bobbym, anonimnystefy, and gAr,

The solutions CN #3 and CN  #4 are correct. Brilliant!

I shall post more problems here soon!

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Re: Complex Numbers

CN #5. Find the real and imaginary parts of the complex number

.

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Re: Complex Numbers

Hi ganesh;

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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Re: Complex Numbers

hi ganesh

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“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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Re: Complex Numbers

Hi bobbym and anonimnystefy,

The solution CN#5 is correct. Neat job!

CN #6. If

is a cube root of unity, then what is the value of

?

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Re: Complex Numbers

Hi ganesh;

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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Jai Ganesh

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Re: Complex Numbers

Hi;

The solution CN#6 is correct. Excellent, bobbym and zetafunc!

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