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cooljackiec

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Re: bases

Hi cooljackiec

I found that these numbers satisfy Q2.

I sort of see what you are doing here, but then again, I don't quite understand. We try to make sure that no numbers in our set are the arithemtic mean of two others. I've been suggested to use base 3, but I don't know how that would work.

EDIT: Turn our set into base 3 integers. Selecting those expressed with only 0 and 1 (base 3) gives us 2^k integers. I think this works, but I have to prove that this satisfies the condition of one number not being the AM of 2 others.

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anonimnystefy

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Re: bases

That is correct.

Now, think about what a sum of two such number looks like and what twice a such number looks like.

Also, did you see post #25?

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cooljackiec

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Re: bases

The sum of two numbers (in base 3) will have a 2 digit?? Is that what you're saying?

also, 32 is not correct

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anonimnystefy

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Re: bases

It is correct that it will have the digit 2, but what's more imortant is that it will always have a 1. Compare that to a double of a number from the sequence.

Hm, you have the correct answer for Q1?

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cooljackiec

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Re: bases

yea, i got the 2nd question, but not the 1st.

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anonimnystefy

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Re: bases

Do you know what the answer is to Q1?

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cooljackiec

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Re: bases

nope

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anonimnystefy

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Re: bases

Then, how do you know it's not 32?

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cooljackiec

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Re: bases

The decimal representation of m/n, where m and n are relatively prime positive integers and m<n, contains the digits 2, 5, and 1 consecutively, and in that order. Find the smallest value of n for which this is possible.

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bobbym

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Re: bases

Hi;

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anonimnystefy

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Re: bases

Hi bobbym

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cooljackiec

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Re: bases

I thought that 999 was the answer at first. 800 yields 0.25125. Maybe there's something else in the problem I didn't comprehend. I'm going to get some clarification

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anonimnystefy

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Re: bases

What happened for the first question?

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bobbym

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Re: bases

Hi;

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cooljackiec

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Re: bases

so apparently, we can have 2513 and stuff. So like we just need 251 in order and then can have extra digits. 251 /999 is interesting, because 251 is close to 250, a divisor of 1000, which is cllose to 999.

Anyways, idk about the 1st quesiton

EDIT: we don't need to have a repeated decimal

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Re: bases

so apparently, we can have 2513 and stuff

In that case we can get

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anonimnystefy

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Re: bases

Hi bobbym

That seems the smallest so far.

Hi cooljackiec

Well, I asked you multiple times how you know the answer is not 32, without a respense.

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Re: bases

Hi anonimnystefy;

The older I get the more I demand rigor. Not in the answer like math types do, but in the question itself!

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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

anonimnystefy

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Re: bases

Yes, I have noticed.

Do you think there is a smaller answer?

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bobbym

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Re: bases

M does not think so. The last time I disagreed with M and I was right was in July 2001...

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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

anonimnystefy

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Re: bases

Hm, how did M get that answer?

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bobbym

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Re: bases

It just found a smaller one with an improvement in the logic.

and another one

and another

No mas?

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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

anonimnystefy

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Re: bases

How did you get those?

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The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

bobbym

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Re: bases

Did you see the last one?

FindInstance[{m > 0, n > 0, Floor[1000 m/n] == 251, n < 127, 
  m != n}, {m, n}, Integers]

Got to go eat!

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

anonimnystefy

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Re: bases

Bon appétit!

That code seems to be slightly incomplete, but fortunately, it does not change the answer.

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The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.