Math Is Fun Forum

Hi all,
Ok talking about my problem here, but let’s have some fun with it, and try no to spend too much time and effort, as then there wouldn’t really be any fun there, for us to have some fun with. The ones who read the whole text good job, the rest  who read only part of it you still here replying to me you pussycat?

So player, I don’t know what your problems are, as I don’t know you player, but here’s the problem I have that you player don’t yet know, that you yet don’t understand.

That is the problem that the rest had player. What is the rest player? Well player, the rest obviously is all there is minus you, you can look around you and notice other stuff that aren’t you. What, you really think you’re going to tell me that you can’t? Nah, that moment passed player, I’m still writing, and you player, are still reading, or else if you really had a problem with me writing that, well player, couldn’t you obviously come and tell me earlier to not write that, player?!

Well player, keep imaging stuff if you think so, something else keeps happening around you in reality, I keep writing, you keep reading is what seems to be happening here, player. But what about the rest? Well player, around you, you will notice stuff that are dead as we say, or stuff that over and over and over, behave as all there is minus them planned before everything was made for them to behave, as no one says.

And who am I? I am no one, I don’t know who the hell you think you are! Why? Cause you ain’t someone, and you ain’t fooling no one player! As player, apart from the dead stuff around you, you will also notice living beings, or the stuff that are free from all there is minus them to really do freely as they wish, but that is only after all the laws for the dead stuff were made to really happen over and over and over for the dead stuff to behave.

And this player, just in case you are wondering about reading that above, is for the following reason below.
After all there is minus the living beings, was done making the natural laws, that all the dead stuff had to follow over and over, and over, did the rest really have to make anything else?

And here player, I am afraid as you don’t yet understand that you have to read the following reason below.
After all there is minus the living beings, made the natural laws that the living beings could follow from their nature, in a way that was really fun for them over and over and over, did the rest really have to make any more laws for the dead stuff, who in any case follow the laws that the rest makes for them to follow over and over and over? Why?

Cause player, it really doesn’t seem to me that the rest really had to do anything else. Cause exactly one moment before you really make everything you didn’t really exactly do that yet…earlier you didn’t even come to tell me earlier to not write that thing earlier, you’re going to argue with me regarding one moment exactly before you really make everything that you did everything here now player?! Nah…and also player, one moment after you really made everything, you have to make sure that the moment exactly before that is really there, so that something living can really live it and make everything again, in whatever you player made, or what you made isn’t really fun to happen over and over and over, and you player don’t know how to really have fun with the rest.

Get it player? What’s that? That…

Nature is a lady,
Justice is blind, and…
…MAMA in the end puts order.

So you tell me...
reality isn't something else than anything I can imagine, but that your imagination can follow?
What is it then, something else?!
Doesn't it take less time and effort for all, when reality is not all the time what one specifically imagines?
And do you...really have to spend time and effort with me here on this post and not just ignore it?

What do you really think?

cause if you really think about it you will really understand. Understand what?

That...

Next time player that you read something on the internet that is nonsense, remember that you can ignore it...

and player, you can keep on ignoring nonsense, unless people forget that...

Money reduces the time and effort to trade…

as then... we are stuck with idiots wasting our time and effort, with their endless money stories...

Get it now player, or are you still wondering what to reply to me?

You didn't really think about it players, did you really?
Why?
Cause if you really think about it players, you will really understand...this is exactly why...

and remember players, I am not the only one reading here...

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Hi all,

I am posting the below text to discuss with any of you who wish to do so, for the rest ones, do you really have to spend time and effort replying to me? Please keep in mind that you will need to read what I wrote more than once, patiently......And you need to think before you reply so that we don't have to spend more time and effort than we really do....cause do we really have to I ask you?

Text to be discussed

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Prologue
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When something makes sense, it makes sense to happen again and again in reality.

When something doesn’t make sense, it isn’t worth out time and effort…cause…

…do we REALLY HAVE TO?

Generally explained…

Imagine you do the same thing with the same amount of money twice from its beginning until its end , but one of the times that it takes you more time and effort.

Would you choose again and again to do it when it takes you more time and effort to do it with the same amount of money, doing the same thing?

For example…

Imagine you order take away from the same place many times, and lately it takes longer and longer for the food to arrive, and the food may start getting a bit cold…and it doesn’t seem to be getting better in the future, but the prices don’t change…

…do you start getting a feeling this might be a waste of your time and effort or not?

Or another way said….

What is it that people wasting others’ time and effort not understanding but that exactly?

And what is it that people using money…wasting others’ time and effort not understanding but what money does when money is used sensibly?

And in the end, what is it that people don’t understand , when they hear that they have to not waste others’ time and effort when they are using money, as …

Money has to not increase the time and effort for what it is used to do, when it is used sensibly.

Or yet another way said…

When people trade with one another,

In general they do “I do this for you, you do that for me”,

And specifically whatever “this” and “that” is for the specific occasion and instance, so now…

Player do you know what money does…

Money doesn’t do what those who have money say…

Money reduces the time and effort to trade…

Or we are stuck with idiots wasting our time and effort.

Have you ever really thought of that?

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Main text
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In Kennyshire and Bennyshire, people are playing with money.

In Kennyshire, those who have money are playing with money, but they don't want those who don't have money to be playing with money, because those who don't have money in Kennyshire, deserve to not have money, and their entire economy is based on that.

In Bennyshire, all people are playing with money, but in order for those who don't have enough money to learn how to play with money, everyone wants those who make money to be able to make money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so, so that they deserve the money they make, and their entire economy is based on that.

In Kennyshire, those who don't have money deserve to not have money, and as it would be sensible for all following that to do, decisions regarding money are made only by those who have money, having more money is always better than having less money for those who want more freedom to make decisions regarding money, money concentrates to those in society who want more freedom to make decisions regarding money and act accordingly to achieve that, and their entire economy is based on all of the above.

In Bennyshire, those who deserve the money they make, are able to make money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so, and as it would be sensible for all following that to do, decisions regarding money are made according to what is common sense, having more money isn't necessarily better than having less money, as long as money concentrates somewhere in the middle of society individuals having significantly more money than the ones in the middle isn't a problem for the economy, and their entire economy is based on all the above.

In Kennyshire, those who don't have money deserve to not have money, and that is never a problem for the economy, but... as money concentrates to those who want more freedom to make decisions regarding money, the more money you have, the more freedom you have than others to make decisions regarding money, and sooner or later, for reasons of more freedom, money concentrates to only some in society and the entire economy stops working for most, until those who have money at that time start exercising their freedom to make decisions regarding money, so that the economy starts working again, after the entire economy paid the ones who had money when the economy stopped working for most but them, so that it can start working for all again...and their entire economy can't have enough of this.

In Bennyshire, those who don't have money deserve to learn from others how to make money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so and that is always a goal for the economy, or then it is a problem for the economy, but... as money concentrates somewhere in the middle of society, the more money you have, the more you can prove to others that you are able to make money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so, and in case that it happens, for whatever reason it may happen, that money concentrates to only some in society and that the entire economy has problems for whatever reasons this may happen, those who have money at that time start proving to all who among them is good at making money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so, and who is causing problems for the entire economy, so that the problems are solved, before the entire economy has to pay the ones who had money when the economy started having problems, as then the ones who had money at that time wouldn't really be good at making money in Bennyshire and then they wouldn't really deserve to be considered good at making money in Bennyshire...and their entire economy can't have enough of this.

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Epilogues - Clarifications
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when the economy isn't working for the benefit of the general population, then you have to remember that the economists also say that the economy isn't working.

Why? Because either:

1.The economists are saying that the economy is working, when it is working for the benefit of the general population.

or...

2.The economists are saying that the economy is working, when it isn't working for the benefit of the general population.

but then...

3.I can easily imagine other people who claim that the economy is working, when it it working for the benefit of the general population and are willing to make sense of the economy this way, are followed by the general population (that has happened in economic history, you can search it online...), no?

When most in the economy say
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When most in the economy say that the economy is fun for most, most care for the way the economy goes…to happen again and again, or if the economy goes another way…

When most in the economy say that the economy is fun for most, most don’t care for the way the economy goes…to happen again and again, but if this is the way the economy goes…

If in the end, when most in the economy say that the economy is fun for most, most don’t care for the way the economy goes…to happen again and again, then it doesn’t seem to me that most in the economy really want the way that is fun for most to happen again and again…does it seem to you?

When most in the economy say that the economy is fun for few only, whatever way the economy goes, it is a waste of time and effort for most if it happens again and again, and most want to do something else, or if the economy goes another way…

When most in the economy say that the economy if fun for few only, whatever way the economy goes, it is not a waste of time and effort for most if it happens again and again, or most don’t want to do something else, but if this is the way the economy goes…

If in the end, when most in the economy say that the economy if fun for few only, whatever way the economy goes, it is not a waste of time and effort for most if it happens again and again, or most don’t want to do something else, then it doesn’t seem to me that most in the economy really want the way that is fun not only for few but for most to happen again and again…does it seem to you?

When most in the economy say that the economy is fun for one only, whatever way the economy goes, most say it has to not happen again, and most want to do something about it, or if the economy goes another way…

When most in the economy say that the economy is fun for one only, whatever way the economy goes, most don’t say it has to not happen again, or most don’t want to do something about it, but if this is the way that the economy goes…

If in the end, when most in the economy say that the economy is fun for one only, whatever way the economy goes, most don’t say it has to not happen again, or most don’t want to do something about it, then it doesn’t seem to me that whatever one does isn’t fun for most…does it seem to you?

When few in the economy say
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When few in the economy say what money is used to do for most in reality, most in the economy don’t think that money does whatever those who have money want money to do, or if this isn’t the case in the economy….

When few in the economy say what money is used to do for most in reality, most in the economy think that money does whatever those who have money want money to do, but if this is the case in the economy…

If in the end, when few in the economy say what money is used to do for most in reality, most in the economy think that money does whatever those who have money want to do, then it doesn’t seem to me what money does in reality has fun consequences for most in the economy…does it seem to you?

When few in the economy say what money is used to do for few in reality, most in the economy don’t want to spend time and effort thinking about that, or if this isn’t the case in the economy…

When few in the economy say what money is used to do for few in reality, most in the economy want to spend time and effort thinking about that, but if this is the case in the economy…

If in the end when few in the economy say what money is used to do for few in reality, most in the economy want to spend time and effort thinking about that, then it doesn’t seem to me that few aren’t wasting most ones’ time and effort in reality…does it seem to you?

When few in the economy say what money is used to do for one in reality, one can’t think of a fun way to spend less time and effort to do what that one wants to do than what few say, or if this isn’t the case in the economy…

When few in the economy say what money is used to do for one in reality, one can think of a fun way to spend less time and effort to do what that one wants to do than what few say, but if this is the case in the economy…

If in the end, when few in the economy say what money is used to do for one in reality, one can think of a fun way to spend less time and effort to do what that one wants to do than what few say, then it doesn’t seem to me that one has to spend time and effort with what few say, if most would think otherwise…does it seem to you?

When one in the economy says
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When one in the economy says what one wants to do with money to most, most don’t care about what one says, or if this isn’t the case in the economy…

When one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to most, most care about what one says, but if this is the case in the economy…

If in the end, when one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to most, most care about what one says, then it doesn’t seem to me that one is wasting time and effort for most…does it seem to you?

When one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to few ones, most can tell if that one can do what that one says, or if this isn’t the case in the economy…

When one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to few ones, most can’t tell if that one can do what that one says, but if this is the case in the economy…

If in the end, when one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to few ones, most can’t tell if that one can do what that one says, then it doesn’t seem to me that one isn’t wasting time and effort for few at least…does it seem to you?

When one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to another one, that particular story and its consequences in reality don’t change later, or if this isn’t the case in the economy…

When one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to another one, that particular story and its consequences in reality change later, but if this is the case in the economy…

If in the end, when one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to another one, that particular story and its consequences in reality change later, then it doesn’t seems to me that one isn’t a waste of time and effort for another one for this particular story in reality…does it seem to you?

When no one in the economy has to say
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When no one in the economy has to say what money does for everyone in reality, money reduces time and effort spend to trade in reality for everyone, or when that doesn’t happen in reality…

When no one in the economy has to say what money does for everyone in reality, money doesn’t reduce the time and effort spend to trade in reality for everyone, but if that does happen in reality…

If in the end, when no one in the economy has to say what money does for everyone in reality, money doesn’t reduce the time and effort spend to trade in reality for everyone, then it doesn’t seem to me that using money while trading isn’t a waste of time and effort for everyone…does it seem to you?

Some of you say that money is the store of value, medium of exchange, unit of account online (Wikipedia)…

Tell that to your girlfriend/spouse/mother in law after you give her money, and the way that you do it increases the time and effort she has to spend to have fun,

Is what I say to you, and also…

You think you are funny?

Nah, you ain’t funny yet.

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In the end, what’s the summary?

Nature is a lady…

Whatever we do with money, the way we do it has to not ignore the time and effort that we have to spend to do it, otherwise…

Whatever we do with money, the way we do it may ignore the time and effort that we have to spend to do it, but in this case…

If in the end, whatever we do with money, the way we do it may ignore the time and effort that we have to spend to do it, then it doesn’t seem to me that if we want to do whatever we do with money, again…and again…and…again…that we can continue to ignore the time and effort we have to spend to do it, and continue to really have fun, does it seem to you?

Justice is blind, and…

After girls, someplace sometime, have ended talking to one another and have together decided, they point out the ones who are not fun, and the rest show them how…

…MAMA in the end puts order.

What kind of entity do we believe science is player?
Science is the mother of learning...and in case you don't understand player
Repetition is the mother of learning in reality, which is why we have to say that...
Science happens over and over in reality, is what it seems to us is the reality of our stories, that remain written down as science over and over as...
Science is where all the fun plays over and over in reality with stories, that we can make sense of in a fun way for us to follow...in reality...player...
So that the experiments we do in reality, when we wonder about reality, we can also hope that they can be fun for us to do...in reality...player...
any other way we are afraid science could do nothing else for us in reality, to help us understand...how nature hopes its children will listen to the all the fun stories nature had to make before its children existed...
...so that its children don't get lost in their imagination and can't follow reality with their senses in a fun way for them.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lpkTxdbLWEOEWtVLxKHtFWf4HkU7e_Q2/view

In the reality in this text, reality is something else than what life in this text can imagine, but this life in this text can, in the reality in this text, write down how that happens in this life in this text, in a fun way.
In this life in this text, life slept yesterday and woke up today, for many days up to now, since it began existing in the reality in this text, and this life in this text tells itself fun stories in the reality in this text, over and over in life in this text.
Since this life in this text, began existing at some time in the reality in this text, before that time, well…reality in this text was still there, and was still something else than what life in this text can imagine, but reality in this text, is fun over and over for life in this text, for many days up to now, since the beginning of life in this text, inside the reality in this text.
Life in this text doesn’t have to imagine reality in this text exactly as it happens, in order for something fun to happen for this life in this text, inside the reality in this text, as long as life in this text imagines something somewhere within the laws of reality in this text.
The laws of reality in this text, this life in this text notices that they happen as stories that play over and over inside reality in this text, and life in this text is capable to make any sense of reality in this text following those stories, in a fun way for life over and over inside the reality in this text.
In order for life in this text to play with the laws of reality in this text, over and over in life in this text, the way life in this text makes sense of reality in this text, has to be fun for life in this text, but it also has to be fun for reality in this text, as well.
Reality in this text, had to make life capable of making stories that are fun for life in this text to play over and over in life, inside the reality in this text, and after reality in this text made an unimaginable amount of such stories for an unimaginable amount of lives, possible to play over and over inside reality in this text, well…this is when the fun started for life, but also this is when, otherwise it wouldn’t be fun for life, how could it really be otherwise in this text, started.
Reality was there in the beginning, when it all really happened, and after whatever really happened in the beginning, an endless amount of fun stories could play for an endless amount of different species of life over and over  inside reality, up to now in this text.

But here, let’s just talk about a daily story for life in this text in the reality in this text, which is something else than what this life in this text can imagine, but that this life in this text can write down in a fun way for life in this text, living inside the reality in this text.
Life slept yesterday woke up today, and since the beginning life tells itself fun stories inside the reality in this text, and one day understandably life in this text will sleep for good, as there is new life coming to have fun inside the reality in this text, and we can’t really keep adding more and more and more life in the same space and keep it fun inside the reality in this text. (how could it really be otherwise…)
When life is asleep in any sense inside the reality in this text, it does nothing.
When life is awake in any sense inside the reality in this text, it does something.
And, life in this text wants to have fun inside the reality in this text, meaning life wants to feel something else than what life can imagine, or life in this text wants to feel how the reality in this text is really fun, for life in this text.
Can life in this text do nothing all the time? Well, no then it would never do something, and we said that when life is awake in any sense it does something, life can’t stay in bed all day, the bed can stay in bed all day, so life at some time has to do something.
Can life in this text do something all the time? Well, no then it would never do nothing, and we said that when life is asleep in any sense it does nothing, life can’t be awake all the time, and so something for other life all the time, reality can do something for life all the time, and that is
Can life in this text use only its emotions to guide it? Well, no then it would be doing nothing all the time, life following its emotions only and never relaxing from emotion to think, well that would be life doing nothing all the time inside the reality in this text.
But, can life in this text know when to choose to do nothing or something? Well, no then it would be doing something all the time, life knowing all the choices in reality at the right time, well that would be life doing something all the time inside the reality in this text.
The difficulty of choices for life in this text, seems to remain stable, as inside the reality in this text are all the real choices for life in this text, and life in this text has more choices than what life in this text can handle in the reality in this text. And this brings us to…

Life in this text needs patience to have fun in the reality in this text. Why?
Life in this text needs patience to find out why in the reality in this text. Why again?!
Because life in this text finds this in the reality in this text, in a funny way!
Sometimes, it is more fun than what life in this text can handle at that moment in its life in the reality in this text.
Sometimes, it is less fun than what life in this text wants at that moment in its life in the reality in this text.
But, when life in this text is having a good time, then it is just the right amount of fun for life in this text.
And, for life in this text to find those times in the reality in this text, this life in this text is afraid it comes back to the beginning.
Life in this text needs patience to have fun in the reality in this text.

In order for life in this text to have fun in the reality in this text, life in this text lives a story inside the reality in this text with a beginning a middle and an end. The story that life in this text will live inside the reality in this text, is something else than what life in this text can imagine, but it is something that life in this text can follow with its senses.
The way that the senses for life in this text work inside the reality in this text, is one that balances on the laws of reality in this text, and so the way that the senses for life in this text inside the reality in this text work is one that is fun for life in this text, otherwise it can’t be really fun for life in this text (how could it really be otherwise…)
When the story that life in this text plays inside the reality in this text, is more fun than what life in this text can handle, reality in this text warns life in this text, and life in this text gets early warnings in order to be able to choose to do something else before reality in this text, could do nothing further really.

Hi all,

Relax and be patient while reading, as below I am claiming that one of your famous mathematicians is wrong, that I am right, and on top of all of this bragging, that all of you can prove that to yourselves after you read what is written below, and...I am no famous mathematician...I am no one really...but...none of you are someone either...or do you think you are?

We start with some examples, regarding the argument I am making here.

Examples (the formal argument is provided under the challenge section)
for a child to walk, a child balances its body on its feet, and for the child to learn to walk, the child has to be able to prove that to itself, within its system, meaning once the child learns how to balance as described earlier, the child thinks, "I think I get how to walk",
or otherwise said,
"you have to balance your body on your feet to walk" is an axiom in order to be able to walk, and even children can prove this to themselves within their system.

"Most birds can fly" is an axiom in the reality I observe, that birds seem to be able to prove to themselves.
"If you are a bird, and you really sense that you can fly from your nature, then you can learn how to really fly", is an axiom that I observe birds are able to prove to themselves within their own system.

But, if we look at humans again, since one may say that animals are off limits for what we are discussing...
being able to make sense of the world around you by just observing and talking about it, is an axiom humans follow in order to have fun in reality
as when humans are talking nonsense, they haven't thought yet, how reality...really makes sense,
and other humans can prove that to them, so that...

then they can prove what makes sense to themselves, within their own system, after thinking about what was said alone, without bothering other humans with nonsense, before they prove it to themselves...by thinking about it.

Challenge <-- Prove to me that I am wrong (examples are provided above, if you don't understand below)
Why say that the following phrase is nonsense?
“The consistency of axioms cannot be proved within their own system.”
Because:
A system which has axioms for itself, in order for the system to call them axioms for itself, the system has to have a consistent behavior around those axioms and so when it behaves inconsistently with regard to those axioms, the inconsistency between those axioms and the system’s behavior the system can prove to itself.
If what is written above is false, then when a system behaves inconsistently with regard to some axioms it has for itself, that inconsistency it cannot prove to itself, and it keeps behaving inconsistently with regard to those axioms…but…
if the system keeps behaving inconsistently with regard to some axioms and cannot prove to itself that it does so with regard to those axioms, then it doesn’t seem to me it can consistently keep regarding them as axioms for the system, and then something else replaces them, and that something else is what the system calls axioms for itself.

Or if you want it explained in any other way...let's experiment with physics:
AXIOM: In any experiment conducted in reality, nothing can happen as a result, some-thing can happen as a result, or...something else can happen as a result.
This is an axiom that seems consistent and complete to me, and I dare say...logical.
Isn't it? If it doesn't seem to you,  here's why I think that:

Physics as a science, progresses as follows:
1.There is a current theory, at any given time.
2.A candidate theory, which is more exact regarding what really is happening, appears from research as a proposed new theory.
3. Experiments have to be conducted to verify the new theory.
4. When experiments are conducted, they can have the following results.
5. Nothing happens, the experiments fail to show any results, which has happened in the past.
6. Something happens, the experiments had the expected results, which has hap-pened in the past, and science keeps following its path.
7. Something else happens...which was the case with some previous experiments...or else we wouldn't be looking for a new theory, as then all experiments would point only to something, and nothing else...but up to now, this isn't the case, and the future still happens next, and not before next happens.
8. What seems to be happening, is that before people actually make things in their lives that do something...they make things that don't do something exactly...and they find that early at best, or late at worst...but the complete story they all know from the beginning, pretty consistently, it seems to me...as it could be the case with the argument I am making here and below.

Or if you are still unconvinced, and you want it explained using casual language:
After someone says that "the consistency of axioms cannot be proved within their own system", can someone prove to oneself that in order for one to relax, one simply starts relaxing and waits, or is this inconsistent with someone's logic, and then someone cannot relax? Why?
If you want to naturally relax, you simply start doing that(relaxing) and you wait... and you can notice yourself after doing that again and again, that this is an axiom to relax, that you can consistently prove to yourself.
If you want to understand the logic of relaxing, the logic of relaxing is to have a simple common word which describes the starting point of naturally relaxing...if you want to use more words to describe that starting point of naturally relaxing, then this is less relaxing...than simply relaxing.
If you don't want to understand the nature of relaxing, don't worry too much about it, just relax and do something else.

Links regarding the challenge. Check on section "incompleteness theorem"  number 2 (links are provided so that you understand what we are discussing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_G%C3%B6del

Kind regards, and thank you for your patience,
no one.

p.s.
"Ok, but WHY ARE YOU SENDING THIS TO US?", someone may ask.
Use the links below, follow the money, and...be patient:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.250991363520389&type=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNFYMORvM_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFrv57zoPq0

In a well known café in Paris, on the day celebrating the French revolution, officers of the state have gathered in three tables while discussing about important matters planning the future of the state...

One of them who is heading the secret services says "No one shall learn the truth! Because the truth in the hands of our enemies, is of great danger to us, and we will show them who puts order in the end!"

Another of them who is a judge in the supreme court says "No one shall question our justice system! Because justice in the hands of our enemies, is of great danger to us, and we will show them who puts order in the end!"

Another one who is a heading the army says "No one shall question our power! Because power in the hands of our enemies, is of great danger to us, and we will show them who puts order in the end!"

A young waitress over listening the conversation, while bringing some croissants says to all of them "How about you big men, allow women to choose on their own the bad men, and point them out so that the rest men around can show them, how mama in the end puts order...so that we all can enjoy the revolution day again..."